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Lucid Trading Payout Rules: All Accounts Compared (2026)

Lucid Trading pays a 90/10 split with a $500 minimum on every account type. LucidFlex needs 5 profitable days per cycle, LucidPro a 3-day wait plus 40% consistency and profit above the buffer, LucidDirect a per-cycle profit goal under 20% consistency, and LucidDaily allows a payout request every eligible day with no per-request cap.

Paul, founder of Proptradingvibes
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Lucid Trading pays traders on a 90/10 profit split across all account types, with a $500 minimum payout and no fixed payout windows. LucidFlex requires five profitable days per cycle and caps a 50K payout at $2,000. LucidPro runs a three-calendar-day cycle with a 40% consistency rule, a per-cycle profit goal that scales with account size, and a buffer balance you cannot pay yourself out of. LucidDirect pays against a per-cycle profit goal ($3,000 on a 50K, then $2,500) under the strictest check, 20% consistency. LucidDaily, added in July 2026, allows payout requests every eligible day above its buffer with no per-request cap. LucidMaxx, earned rather than purchased, pays daily with no caps. Payout 5 is the maximum sim payout on Flex, Pro and Direct and opens Lucid's live review; Lucid's Flex payout article calls that move automatic, its live-structure article calls it a risk-team decision. Approvals clear in minutes, and the credit time depends on the rail: same day for US traders on Plaid, 1 to 2 business days to a US bank, 2 to 4 to an international bank, and up to eight if you route through PayPal. I've taken 30+ payout cycles from Lucid across several Flex and Pro accounts, so every rule below is tested, not paraphrased.

Lucid Trading runs five account paths in 2026, and each one has different payout mechanics. The rules shifted three times since late 2025. On November 28, 2025 at 3:00 PM ET, Lucid grandfathered the 100% first $10K split on LucidPro (new accounts moved to standard 90/10) and adjusted Pro's funded consistency from 35% to 40%. A second wave brought LucidMaxx, the LucidDirect 100K tier, and the overhauled LucidLive program; Lucid dates only the live part of it, scoping its legacy live articles to accounts purchased or reset on 2/27/26 and prior. And July 2026 brought a third wave: the launch of LucidDaily, a new purchasable account type built around daily payout requests.

If you're reading older content about LucidBlack, the escrow-based legacy live program, or a minimum profitable-day count on LucidPro, discard it. The rules have changed. The only authoritative source besides this guide is Lucid Trading's help center and your own dashboard. Full Lucid Trading review covers the firm's legitimacy, history, and platform details.

This is the full breakdown: how every account's payout cycle works, the caps and splits by size, what the 20% consistency rule does to your cycle math, how EOD trailing drawdown trails after a withdrawal, and who's eligible for the new LucidMaxx tier.

Paul from Proptradingvibes

Why I trust Lucid Trading: I've been actively trading with Lucid since the firm launched, multiple funded accounts, regular withdrawals, ongoing support communication. This legitimacy assessment is based on real money in, real money out, and consistent performance.

No prop firm is perfect. Lucid has quirks and limitations I've documented alongside the positives. For the full breakdown, read my complete Lucid Trading review. Related: restricted countries. For the absolute latest, check Lucid Trading's website or their help center.

How does Lucid Trading's account structure work in 2026?

Five primary paths, each designed for a different trader profile:

LucidFlex: the standard evaluation account. No daily loss limit, zero funded consistency, and the cheapest entry to funded at the 25K (tied with LucidDaily Intraday) and at the 100K, with Daily Intraday cheaper at the 50K and the 150K. Simplest payout structure Lucid offers. Its payout rules were untouched by the 2025-2026 rule changes that reshaped Pro, though its pricing was not. Current entry pricing per size sits in the Lucid Trading review.

LucidPro: evaluation-based, upgraded repeatedly through 2025-2026. No minimum trading day count in the payout rules. Its payout caps were raised over the older structure and the live path shortened to five payouts, down from the six that still stands for accounts purchased or reset on 2/27/26 and prior. Re-priced across all four sizes; see current Pro pricing. Funded consistency 40%.

LucidDaily: launched July 2026. Customizable evaluation (drawdown type and optional daily loss limit chosen at checkout), 50% consistency in the eval only, then a funded account with intraday trailing drawdown, zero funded consistency, and payout requests every eligible day with no per-request cap. The trade-offs: red folder news trading is a hard breach in funded and undocumented rather than exempt in the evaluation, and there is no Live bonus. Full breakdown in the LucidDaily account guide.

LucidDirect: instant funded sim, skip the evaluation entirely. Strictest rules in the Lucid lineup, 20% consistency and a daily loss limit. Four sizes including a 100K tier; the 150K MLL stands at $5,000. The help center documents no minimum day count for Direct, though the 20% consistency rule forces at least five contributing days and Lucid's pricing page lists a 5-day minimum. Current per-size pricing sits in the Lucid Trading review.

LucidMaxx. Daily payouts, no payout caps, no daily loss limit, instant live capital, up to 5 accounts, 90/10 split. The status is earned, the evaluation behind it is bought. Lucid's quantitative risk team identifies qualifying traders from funded-account performance data and notifies them by email. Once the status is granted, the trader may purchase the LucidMaxx evaluation, which is the only Lucid product with a published price table.

Universal rules apply across everything: the minimum payout is $500 on every plan. On LucidPro, LucidFlex and LucidDirect all sim positions must be flat by 4:45 PM ET Monday through Friday, and trading reopens 6:00 PM ET Sunday through Thursday. KYC is mandatory before your first payout, and it is where eligibility gets checked: citizens and residents of the 81 restricted countries are not eligible to use Lucid Trading services.

Grandfather note: LucidPro accounts purchased or reset before November 28, 2025 at 3:00 PM ET still get 100% of the first $10,000 in payouts. Newer Pro accounts are 90/10 from dollar one. The clause is documented in Lucid's LucidPro payout article only; the LucidDirect payout article has no equivalent.

How do LucidFlex payouts work?

Flex's payout rules are the one part of the lineup the 2025-2026 rule waves left alone. Its pricing did change; the mechanics below did not.

LucidFlex Funded Cycle Mechanics

Every payout on Flex follows the same loop.

Step 1, Trade 5 profitable days. Each day must clear the minimum daily profit threshold for your account size: $100 on a 25K, $150 on a 50K, $200 on a 100K, $250 on a 150K. A +$149 day on a 50K doesn't count. Days don't need to be consecutive, 3 green days, a flat day, 2 more green days gets you to 5.

Step 2, Request. Once you've got 5 qualifying profitable days and your cycle is net positive, submit through the dashboard.

Step 3, Lucid processes. Approvals have landed within minutes for me during US business hours. The balance is deducted within a few minutes of approval. Disbursement then runs on the provider's clock: same day for US traders on Plaid, 1 to 2 business days to a US bank, 2 to 4 to an international bank, and up to eight through PayPal.

Step 4, Cycle resets. Balance adjusts, profitable-day count goes to zero. No cool-down. Next cycle can start the same day your withdrawal clears.

The 90/10 Profit Split

Flex runs 90/10 from dollar one. No grandfather split like pre-11/28/2025 LucidPro accounts, Flex has always been straight 90/10. Request $2,000 on a 50K → receive $1,800.

The trade is zero funded consistency and no daily loss limit.

Payout Caps by Account Size

Flex caps are fixed, not progressive, and they are a double condition. Lucid's help center table reads "50% of Profit up to" the dollar figure for your size, so the dollar amount is the ceiling and the 50% rule binds underneath it. Earn $1,400 in a cycle on a 25K and you can request $700, not $1,000.

AccountMin Daily ProfitPayout Cap (50% of profit, up to)Take-home after 90/10
25K$10050% of profit, max $1,000$900
50K$15050% of profit, max $2,000$1,800
100K$20050% of profit, max $2,500$2,250
150K$25050% of profit, max $3,000$2,700

Your 50K Flex caps at $2,000 on payout 1 and on payout 5, the last one before the account leaves sim for the live review. If you earn $4,000 in a cycle, $2,000 stays in the account. That excess protects your drawdown on the next cycle, it's not lost. The caps do not scale up with the payout number, and Lucid's help center states there is no buffer balance to maintain in LucidFlex funded accounts.

Buffer, MLL, and Safe Withdrawal Math

This is where Flex traders breach accounts. The Max Loss Limit (MLL) is an EOD trailing drawdown, it recalculates at the end of each trading day based on your highest closing balance. Once your closing balance exceeds the Initial Trail Balance ($52,100 on a 50K: starting balance plus the $2,000 max loss plus $100), the MLL locks permanently at starting balance plus $100, so $50,100. Requesting a payout also snaps the MLL to that locked level (per Lucid's help center, checked July 26, 2026).

When you withdraw, balance drops but MLL doesn't follow.

Real example on a 50K: a $4,100 cycle puts the balance at $54,100, with the MLL trailed and locked at $50,100. Withdraw $2,000, which the 50% rule allows at that cycle profit, and the balance lands at $52,100 with the MLL still locked at $50,100. You've got $2,000 of cushion. If you size up next session and lose $2,000, the account is done.

I don't withdraw the absolute max every cycle. On my 50Ks I keep at least $1,000-$1,500 above the MLL after every payout. The smarter move: make $4,100 before requesting the full $2,000, so the request clears the 50% rule and you exit the payout day with $2,000 of room. At $3,000 of cycle profit the 50% rule caps the request at $1,500, so asking for $2,000 on a $3,000 cycle is not an option in the first place.

Path to LucidLive: 5 Payouts

Payout 5 is the last payout a Flex account takes. Lucid's LucidFlex payout article words this as automatic: five payouts per account, after which the trader is moved live. Lucid's live-structure article words it differently: payout 5 is the maximum payout level rather than a guaranteed route, and every live transition happens at the discretion of the risk team. The two articles do not agree, so plan for a review after payout 5, not for a guaranteed live account. The Live mechanics themselves sit further down, short version: $0 starting balance, a profit-gated one-time bonus, 90/10 split, daily payouts on real capital.

My LucidFlex History

Fastest cycle was 6 trading days. Slowest stretched three weeks, a string of flat days that were green but under $150. Never had a Flex payout denied. Never had a processing delay longer than one business day from Lucid's side.

One thing I'd do differently if I were starting fresh: run two accounts in parallel from day one. The doubled entry cost is small against the doubled effective cap ($4,000 per cycle instead of $2,000). Per-size entry fees sit in the Lucid Trading review. Full multi-account logic is in my guide to running multiple Lucid accounts.

How do LucidPro payouts work?

LucidPro has been through two rule waves since late 2025. If you read anything about Pro written for the older structure, especially anything about a minimum profitable-day count, it's outdated. Pro's payout article documents no day requirement at all, though the 40% consistency rule sets its own arithmetic floor of three contributing days.

What Changed (Timeline)

  • Minimum trading days: Lucid's help center documents no minimum number of trading days for Pro. The payout article lists the profit goal, the 40% consistency percentage and the buffer balance, and no day count anywhere. The 40% rule still sets a floor arithmetically: no single day may carry more than two fifths of the cycle, so a payout needs at least three contributing days. The three-day wait between requests is a separate, calendar-based rule.
  • November 28, 2025, 3:00 PM ET: Funded consistency adjusted from 35% → 40% for new accounts. Pre-cutoff accounts keep 35%. Also: 100% first $10K becomes legacy-only, new accounts are 90/10 from dollar one.
  • Current structure: Payout caps increased over the older tables (see below). Live transition dropped from 6 → 5 payouts.
  • Kept across all updates: 1-day-pass evaluation. Daily loss limit on funded. EOD trailing drawdown. The Pro DLL: none at 25K, then $1,200 (50K), $1,800 (100K) and $2,700 (150K), always a soft breach, replaced by the LucidScale DLL once the account closes above the Initial Trail Balance.

LucidPro Evaluation Profit Targets

SizeProfit Target
25K$1,250
50K$3,000
100K$6,000
150K$9,000

Current per-size entry pricing lives in the Lucid Trading review.

Flex is now cheaper than Pro at every size except the 150K, a structural shift from most of 2025 when Pro commanded a premium. Current per-size pricing across both products sits in the Lucid Trading review; the public VIBES code stacks on top at checkout, checked July 29, 2026.

How the Payout Cycle Works

Lucid's LucidPro payout article documents no minimum number of trading days, but the 40% consistency rule sets a floor arithmetically: no single day may carry more than two fifths of the cycle, so a payout needs at least three contributing days. Three conditions gate the payout itself:

  1. Profit goal met. The Minimum Profit Goal per cycle is $250 (25K), $500 (50K), $750 (100K) and $1,000 (150K). Lower than the evaluation target. Proof-of-trading, not a hurdle.
  2. 40% funded consistency passed, your single best day in the cycle cannot exceed 40% of cumulative cycle profit.
  3. Profit over the buffer balance. The buffer is your starting balance plus the initial Max Loss Limit plus $100: $26,100 (25K), $52,100 (50K), $103,100 (100K) and $154,600 (150K). Lucid's help center shortens that to "Initial Max Loss Limit + $100", which read literally would be $2,100 on a 50K; the buffer table on the same page is the figure that binds. You cannot pay yourself out of the buffer, so a balance that has dropped into it blocks the request even when the profit goal is met.

On top of those three there is a cadence: 3 calendar days must have elapsed since your previous payout, or since funding for your first request. That wait comes from Lucid's pricing page rather than the help center.

Clear all three gates, wait out the three days, request the payout. Weekends count toward the wait. Qualify Monday → request Thursday.

One day alone will not get you there. With two green days the larger one is necessarily at least half the cycle, which is over the 40% line, so three contributing days is the arithmetic floor. Red days in between don't reset anything as long as net cycle P&L stays positive and the consistency ratio holds after the eventual request.

Cadence: a payout every 3 calendar days is the floor between requests. Since a Pro account reaches its sim ceiling at payout 5, five cycles of roughly 5 calendar days each put the run at about 3.5 weeks once you count the sessions that produce the profit goal on top of the wait.

Profit Split

New accounts (purchased/reset Nov 28, 2025 or later): 90/10 from dollar one. Same as Flex.

Legacy accounts (purchased/reset before Nov 28, 2025, 3:00 PM ET): 100% on the first $10,000 cumulative, then 90/10. The 100% phase is a grandfather benefit, Lucid closed the window for new accounts back in November 2025.

If you bought your Pro account before that cutoff, you're still on 100%/90-10. Check your dashboard. If it was purchased after, 90/10 applies.

40% Funded Consistency Rule

Your largest single-day profit cannot exceed 40% of cumulative cycle profit.

Passes: Cycle profit $2,500, best day $900. $900 / $2,500 = 36%. Under 40%. Fails: Cycle profit $2,000, best day $900. $900 / $2,000 = 45%. Over 40%. Keep trading until cycle total hits $2,250 to drop best day to 40%.

This is more forgiving than LucidDirect's 20%, but stricter than LucidFlex (zero funded consistency). Full breakdown of how Lucid calculates consistency across all accounts. If your trading is concentrated around 1-2 high-conviction days per week, Pro can work but requires watching the ratio. If P&L is naturally distributed across 3-5 sessions, 40% is a non-issue.

Grandfathered Pro accounts (pre-11/28/2025) run on 35% instead of 40%, slightly stricter.

Payout Cap Progression (50K)

Pro caps step up once, after the first payout, then stay flat. For a 50K:

PayoutCap
1$2,000
2$2,500
3$2,500
4$2,500
5$2,500 (final before Live)

Total potential to LucidLive across 5 payouts: $12,000 gross ($10,800 take-home at 90/10), on $14,100 of trading profit: the $2,100 buffer above the $50,000 start has to be earned too and is never withdrawable. Legacy 100%/90-10 accounts only cross the $10K threshold on the final payout at these caps. New 90/10 accounts just keep 90% throughout.

Daily Loss Limit Trade-off

Pro has a daily loss limit. Flex doesn't. If you're coming from Flex, the DLL catches you off-guard, you switch to Pro for the faster cycles, forget about the daily cap, take a big loss, and you're halted or breached. Set a platform alert at 60% of your DLL threshold. One NQ contract can move $1,000 in minutes on a volatile session. The DLL is a soft breach: you are locked out for the session, the account survives as long as the Max Loss Limit is intact.

5 Payouts to LucidLive

Payout 5 is the maximum sim payout on Pro, down from the 6 that Lucid's legacy live article still documents for accounts purchased or reset on 2/27/26 and prior. It is the trigger for Lucid's live review, not an automatic switch: the risk team decides when the account actually moves. With the 3-calendar-day minimum between requests, five cycles of roughly 5 calendar days each put the realistic path at about 3.5 weeks. Most traders land in 4-6 weeks.

LucidDirect Payout Rules

Direct targets traders who want to skip evaluations and start funded immediately. The trade is higher entry fees and the strictest rules in the Lucid lineup.

What Changed in 2026

  • Minimum trading days: Lucid's help center documents no minimum number of trading days for Direct, and Lucid's pricing page lists a 5-day minimum. The 20% consistency rule sets a floor arithmetically: no single day may carry more than a fifth of the cycle, so a payout needs at least five contributing days. What binds the request itself is the cycle profit goal under that 20% check.
  • 100K account added. Fills the gap between 50K and 150K Direct. MLL $3,500, DLL $2,100. The current entry fee sits in the Lucid Trading review.
  • 50K and 150K prices changed. Both tiers were re-priced, and the current numbers sit in the Lucid Trading review.
  • 150K MLL → $5,000 per Lucid's help center, checked July 2026.
  • Profit split: flat 90/10 on every Direct payout. The 100%-on-the-first-$10K carve-out is documented in Lucid's LucidPro payout article only; the LucidDirect payout article names no legacy exception.

Direct Cycle Mechanics

No evaluation. Pay, complete KYC, start trading. Each cycle runs independently.

  1. Clear the cycle profit goal: $1,500 (25K), $3,000 (50K), $6,000 (100K) or $9,000 (150K) for your first payout, then $1,250 / $2,500 / $3,500 / $4,500 for every cycle after that. The $500 payout minimum sits far below those goals, so the goal is what actually gates the request.
  2. Pass the 20% consistency check.
  3. Request through the dashboard.
  4. Receive funds through Plaid (US bank transfer), WorkMarket by ADP (bank transfer or PayPal, US and international) or crypto (international). Typical turnaround runs from minutes on Plaid to 2 to 4 business days on an international bank transfer, and up to eight if you route through PayPal.
  5. The approved amount leaves your balance within minutes, the cycle profit goal resets to $0 and the consistency history clears. The cap steps up once, from payout 4, on the 50K and larger; the 25K Direct stays at $1,000 across all five.

The 20% Consistency Rule (This Is the One)

Your single best profitable trading day cannot exceed 20% of total cycle profits. This is the #1 reason Direct payouts get denied, and denials are structurally common on Direct for exactly that reason: the check rejects requests until the ratio fits, and traders resolve them by extending the cycle rather than by appealing.

Passes: Cycle profit $3,000, best day $550. 18.3%. Approved.

Fails: Cycle profit $2,000, best day $500. 25%. Denied until you grind cycle total up to $2,500, which drops the best day to 20%.

Trap: $800 Monday + $200 × 4 days = $1,600 total, best day at 50%. You'd need $4,000 cycle profit before that $800 day falls to 20%. One session just created consistency jail.

If your trading style produces occasional outlier days surrounded by flat days, Direct will frustrate you. Direct rewards traders who bring home $300-$600 per session with minimal variance. That's the profile Lucid wants on this product.

Consistency resets after each payout. A bad ratio in cycle 1 doesn't carry into cycle 2.

DLL Soft Breach and Payout Impact

The Daily Loss Limit on Direct is a soft breach. Hit it → positions close, locked out for the day, account survives. You come back tomorrow.

DLL values: none on the 25K · 50K = $1,200 · 100K = $2,100 · 150K = $3,000 (fixed DLL below the Initial Trail Balance; above it, LucidScale sets the DLL at 60% of your peak end-of-day profit). Checked against Lucid's help center July 26, 2026.

Catch: triggering the soft breach extends your payout cycle timeline, and the loss counts against cycle profit. Lose $1,100 on Day 1 of a 50K cycle → make $2,600 over four more days → net cycle profit is $1,500, not $2,600. That also hits the consistency check: best winning day out of that run gets measured against $1,500, not $2,600.

Profit Split

Every LucidDirect payout runs 90/10, from the first one.

Lucid's LucidDirect payout article documents no grandfather clause and no legacy split. The 100%-first-$10K benefit appears only in the LucidPro article.

If you have seen the 100% split attributed to Direct elsewhere, check your dashboard before you plan around it. The documented Direct split is a flat 90/10.

Payout Caps by Account Size

SizeProfit Goal (cycle 1)Profit Goal (cycle 2+)Payouts 1-3 CapPayouts 4-5 CapMax Across 5 Payouts
25K$1,500$1,250$1,000$1,000$5,000
50K$3,000$2,500$2,000$2,500$11,000
100K$6,000$3,500$2,500$3,000$13,500
150K$9,000$4,500$3,000$3,500$16,000

LucidDaily Payout Rules

LucidDaily launched in July 2026 and its payout structure is the reason the account exists: payout requests every eligible day, no cycles, no minimum profitable days, no per-request cap. It is the loosest withdrawal structure among the purchasable accounts, and it pays for that freedom with stricter trading rules elsewhere.

Daily Cycle Mechanics

Eligibility rests on two conditions. First, the funded balance must sit above the Buffer Balance, which equals your starting balance plus the initial Max Loss Limit plus $100: $26,100 (25K), $52,100 (50K), $103,100 (100K) and $154,600 (150K). Second, the account needs positive net profit since the last payout, even $1 qualifies. Meet both and you can request everything above the buffer, minimum $500, on any eligible day. The buffer itself is never withdrawable. Requests are final once submitted, and a trade that drops the balance into the buffer before processing can get the request denied.

SizeBuffer BalanceMin PayoutPer-Request CapMax Daily Profit (sim)
25K$26,100$500None (all profit above buffer)$6,000
50K$52,100$500None (all profit above buffer)$8,000
100K$103,100$500None (all profit above buffer)$10,000
150K$154,600$500None (all profit above buffer)$12,000

Split is 90/10, same as new Flex, Pro, and Direct accounts. Approvals process quickly, funds are deducted within minutes of approval, and disbursement lands the same day on Plaid, in 2 to 4 business days to an international bank, and in up to eight through PayPal.

No Funded Consistency, One Daily Ceiling

Funded Daily has zero consistency rule; the 50% check only exists in the evaluation. The one ceiling is the Maximum Daily Profit: $6,000 (25K) up to $12,000 (150K) of sim profit per day. That is a trading limit, not a withdrawal limit. Lucid's LucidDaily payout article says hitting it moves the account live automatically, while the LucidDaily live article puts the same trigger into a live review pool decided by the risk team. Read both together: the Maximum Daily Profit fires the transition, the risk team signs it off. One payout-relevant restriction to respect: funded Daily bans red folder news trading as a hard breach, flat from 1 minute before to 1 minute after the event. Lucid's general rules article names the plan rather than the stage, so the evaluation is undocumented rather than exempt.

Daily's Live Transition Is Different

Daily does not use the 5-payouts-to-Live ladder and gets no Live bonus. Qualifying accounts (hitting the Max Daily Profit, significant lifetime payouts, or exceptional sim performance) enter a live review pool. The buffer balance funds the starting live drawdown, and sim profits above the buffer are paid out after broker KYC, capped at $15,000 total across all accounts combined. Funded Daily accounts with zero payouts are closed at transition with the evaluation fee refunded. Moves happen in the evenings after the 6 PM ET session report, using the prior day's closing balance.

LucidMaxx Payout Rules

LucidMaxx is the most aggressive payout structure Lucid offers. The mechanics below cover what is publicly documented about it.

Mechanics

  • Daily payouts. Request every single trading day.
  • No payout caps. Make $5,000 on Monday, request $5,000 on Monday.
  • No daily loss limit. Same freedom as Flex, applied to live capital.
  • EOD trailing drawdown. Same mechanics as other account types.
  • Up to 5 simultaneous accounts.
  • Instant live capital. Live capital from the moment the evaluation is passed, with no sim payout ladder to climb.
  • No profit minimums once live.

Qualification: Earned, Not Requested

You can't buy LucidMaxx status and you can't apply for it. Lucid's quantitative risk team uses defined performance criteria to identify traders who qualify from their funded-account history. When a trader meets the benchmarks, the status is offered by email, not requested. What you then buy is the LucidMaxx evaluation itself, which is gated behind that status.

What the quantitative team looks at isn't publicly documented, but based on the Maxx traders I've interviewed, the consistent factors are:

  • Sustained profitability across multiple funded cycles on Flex or Pro
  • Clean risk management, no breaches, no soft-DLL patterns
  • Cycle completion velocity, you actually take payouts, you don't hoard
  • Account longevity, the risk team needs enough data to judge you

What the LucidMaxx Evaluation Actually Costs

The evaluation is not free and not discounted. The price table is dynamic, keyed to how many live accounts you have blown without clearing drawdown. Clear the drawdown once and your tier is frozen, even if you later lose that account.

SizeTier 1 (0-4 blown)Tier 2 (5-8)Tier 3 (9-12)Tier 4 (13+)
25K$110$130$155$175
50K$180$215$250$290
100K$270$325$380$430
150K$425$510$595$680

Source: Lucid Trading help center, LucidMaxx evaluation pricing, checked July 29, 2026.

Three rules travel with that table. No discount codes apply, VIBES included. Resets cost the same as the first evaluation. The listed price is the final price. That makes Maxx the one Lucid product where the discount question has a documented answer, and the answer is no.

The evaluation itself: profit target $1,250 (25K), $3,000 (50K), $6,000 (100K), $9,000 (150K), against a max loss limit of $1,000 / $2,000 / $3,000 / $4,500, a 40% consistency rule and 5 minimum trading days. Pass and you move straight into a live account on the standard Lucid live drawdown.

For traders who qualify, the numbers are staggering. A 150K LucidMaxx account with a strong week could extract $10,000+ in one payout. On the capped Lucid accounts (Flex, Pro, Direct), that same performance would be held to a per-request cap of roughly $3,000-$3,500. LucidDaily is the other exception with no per-request cap, though its Maximum Daily Profit still limits a single sim day.

Daily frequency with no caps means income extraction is limited only by your trading ability, not by payout structure. For a trader making $500 to $1,000 per day across 20 trading days, that is $9,000 to $18,000 a month post-split with zero friction. On the capped accounts the same trader runs into the ceiling long before that: a 50K Flex releases at most $2,000 per cycle and a 50K Pro at most $2,500.

Maxx isn't for new traders. It's the graduate-level program for people who've already proven they belong.

LucidLive, The Completely Overhauled Live Program

The Live program got the most dramatic overhaul of the lot. Lucid scopes its legacy live articles to accounts purchased or reset on 2/27/26 and prior, so anything written for that structure can go.

What the Old System Looked Like

Per Lucid's legacy live articles, which cover accounts purchased or reset on 2/27/26 and earlier:

  • A per-account cap on how much simulated profit could move live: $15,000 to $30,000 by size on LucidPro, $4,000 to $16,000 on LucidFlex and LucidDirect. Anything above the cap was forfeited at the transition.
  • Only part of that cap landed on day one, $3,000 on a 50K Pro and $2,400 on a 50K Flex or Direct, with the rest held in escrow.
  • Escrow began releasing only after 10 profitable live trading days and $10,000 of live profit, then $5,000 for every additional $10,000 earned, reviewed weekly.
  • A 60-day wait from account opening before any released escrow could be withdrawn.
  • Live transitions came after the sixth and final sim payout, or earlier at the risk team's discretion.
  • An 80/20 live split, which Lucid moved to 90/10 in March 2026 per its own announcement.

What the New System Looks Like

  • $0 starting balance. You don't carry your sim balance into Live.
  • One-time bonus by funded size, released as a payout once live profits reach the Live Target, which is your starting live drawdown plus $100 ($1,100 / $2,100 / $3,100 / $4,600):
  • 25K funded → $1,000 bonus
  • 50K funded → $2,000 bonus
  • 100K funded → $3,000 bonus
  • 150K funded → $4,500 bonus
  • EOD trailing drawdown structure
  • Daily payout capability on live capital
  • 90/10 profit split on live capital since March 2026
  • Onboarding in days instead of weeks
  • Bonus earned on first account-set trip only
  • Not eligible for Maxx traders (already live), LucidDaily accounts (Daily has its own live transition with no bonus), or second account sets

Transition Requirements by Account

FromPayouts to Live
LucidFlex5 (max sim payouts, then risk-team review)
LucidPro5 (max sim payouts, then risk-team review)
LucidDirect5 (max sim payouts, then risk-team review)
LucidDailyPerformance-based review (min 1 payout)
LucidMaxxN/A (already live)

Why the New System Is Better

Starting at $0 sounds bad. But the old system started you small too: only a slice of the move-to-live cap landed on day one, $3,000 on a 50K Pro, and the rest sat in escrow behind 10 profitable live days, $10,000 of live profit and a 60-day wait from account opening.

The new system is simpler: start at zero, real capital at 90/10, daily payouts, and a one-time bonus released once live profits reach the Live Target, your starting live drawdown plus $100. No escrow, no release benchmarks, no 60-day withdrawal wait.

Lucid publishes no separate arrangement for traders who were mid-cooldown when the overhaul landed. The documented rule is the cooldown itself: two weeks after blowing a live account before you can buy a new evaluation.

Side-by-Side Payout Rule Comparison

LucidFlexLucidProLucidDailyLucidDirectLucidMaxx
Evaluation?YesYes (1-day pass)Yes (customizable)No, instant fundedYes, purchasable once status is granted
Profit split (new accounts)90/10 day one90/10 day one90/10 day one90/10 day one90/10 day one
Profit split (pre-11/28/2025)90/10 day one100% first $10K, then 90/10N/A (launched July 2026)90/10 day one (no documented legacy exception)N/A (no legacy accounts)
Payout trigger5 profitable daysProfit goal + 40% consistency + buffer, 3-day waitAbove buffer + net positive, any eligible dayProfit goal + 20% consistencyDaily, on-demand
Funded consistencyNone40% (new) / 35% (legacy)None20%None
Daily loss limitOptional (ON/OFF at checkout)Optional (ON/OFF at checkout)Optional at checkout (soft breach)Yes (soft breach)None
Min payout$500$500$500$500$500
50K caps50% of profit, max $2,000$2,000 then $2,500 flatNo per-request cap$2K → $2.5K progressiveNo cap
Payouts to Live55Performance-based (min 1 payout)5N/A
Entry priceSee Lucid Trading review for current per-size pricing across all products

Biggest structural separators:

  • Speed: Maxx and LucidDaily (uncapped requests any eligible day) > Pro (3-day wait, cap steps up once) > Direct (consistency gates timing) > Flex (5-profitable-days gates timing)
  • Rule pressure (low to high): Maxx ≤ Flex ≤ Daily (zero funded consistency, optional DLL, but intraday trailing and the news hard breach) < Pro < Direct
  • Cheapest entry to funded: Flex or Daily Intraday at the 25K (tied), Daily Intraday at the 50K and 150K, Flex at the 100K
  • Fastest to real capital: Pro (5 payouts on the 3-calendar-day cadence, about 3.5 weeks)

I run Flex and Pro in parallel. Flex on volatile FOMC sessions where no-DLL freedom matters. Pro as the workhorse for regular days. Maxx is the goal.

What Happened to LucidBlack

LucidBlack is no longer sold, and Lucid's help center keeps its rule pages in a collection labeled LucidBlack (Legacy). Under Black the path to live ran to four payouts. Lucid publishes nothing about accounts that were still open at the wind-down, so there is no documented migration path to quote. The pricing page now lists four purchasable account types without it.

If you are looking for LucidBlack payout rules themselves, Lucid's help center still carries them in the legacy collection. For an account you can buy today, the payout rules that apply are the LucidFlex, LucidPro, LucidDaily and LucidDirect sets above.

Realistic Income Scenarios Against the Five-Payout Ceiling

Stop believing income projections that assume perfect execution. Every number below is bounded by the same thing: a sim account is finished after payout 5, so its lifetime total, not a monthly rate, is the real ceiling. Assumptions throughout: roughly 20 trading days a month, and every take-home figure is after Lucid's 10%.

50K Flex, Two Accounts

  • Realistic cadence: 2 to 3 cycles per account per month, so 4 to 6 payouts across the pair
  • Per payout take-home: $1,800 at the cap, which needs $4,000 of cycle profit, because Flex releases 50% of profit up to the $2,000 ceiling
  • At a clean cycle of roughly 10 calendar days the pair burns its ten-payout allowance in about 7 weeks. The honest number is $18,000 take-home across that stretch, not $9,000 a month repeating
  • Ceiling per account: capping all 5 payouts = $10,000 gross, $9,000 take-home, then the account moves into the live review

Flex's ceiling is the fixed cap. Scaling comes from multiple accounts, not per-payout size. Since payout 5 ends a Flex account's sim life, keeping Flex exposure long-term means rotating new accounts rather than grinding one to infinity.

50K Pro, Aggressive Cycling (New 90/10 Account)

  • Realistic: at most 5 sim payouts per account before the Live transition; with the 3-day minimum wait, disciplined execution can clear all 5 inside a month
  • Cap progression: $2,000 on payout 1, then a flat $2,500 for payouts 2-5
  • Monthly (first month, take-home): $6,300-$10,800 depending on how many of the 5 capped payouts you fit in. That is also the account's lifetime total, because payout 5 ends its sim life
  • Ceiling: maxing every cap = $12,000 gross across the 5 payouts, $10,800 after the split, if you cycle every 3 days. The trading profit behind that is $14,100, because the $2,100 buffer on a 50K Pro has to be earned and left in the account, so the effective share is roughly 77%, not 90%

Once you graduate to LucidLive, the split stays at 90/10.

50K Direct

  • Realistic: 1-2 cycles per month. Each cycle has to produce $3,000 of profit first, $2,500 from cycle 2 on, and the 20% consistency rule spreads that across at least five trading days.
  • Cap-constrained: $2,000 for payouts 1-3, $2,500 for payouts 4-5, so $11,000 gross and $9,900 take-home across the five
  • Monthly range (new 90/10 account): $1,800-$3,600 take-home, one or two capped cycles at $2,000 gross each, since the step to $2,500 only arrives on payout 4
  • You can't speed-cycle Direct, the 20% consistency forces 5-8 trading days per cycle to spread profits below the threshold

LucidMaxx (Once Qualified)

  • Per-day take-home: whatever you made that session at 90/10
  • Monthly potential: $9,000 to $18,000 post-split for a $500 to $1,000 per day trader across 20 trading days
  • Ceiling: unbounded, limited by trading ability, not payout structure

Legacy 100%-first-$10K LucidPro accounts shift these numbers upward until you cross the $10K threshold, then revert to the 90/10 numbers above.

Common Payout Mistakes Across All Lucid Accounts

Payouts get denied and funded accounts get breached right after withdrawals more often than traders expect. These are the patterns that catch people:

Withdrawing the max and leaving no buffer. Applies everywhere. Your MLL doesn't care that you just paid yourself. If your balance sits $200 above breach after a withdrawal, one bad candle ends it. Leave $1,000-$1,500 above your MLL at minimum.

On Flex, confusing "green day" with "profitable day." You need the minimum threshold. A $50 green day on a 50K ($150 min) is a zero. Track daily P&L.

On Flex, forcing profitable days. Three great days in, you need two more. Don't force trades on days 4 and 5. I've watched traders give back $500 grinding for marginal green days that shrink the final payout below what a patient wait would have captured.

On Pro, ignoring the 40% consistency ratio. The ratio math matters more than raw profit. A $1,000 Monday followed by $400 across four days = $1,000/$2,600 = 38.5%. Passes on a 40% account, though a pre-11/28/2025 account held to 35% would not. But $1,200 Monday + $400 × 4 = $1,200/$2,800 = 43%. Denied. Check the dashboard before requesting.

On Pro, forgetting the DLL. Pro has a daily loss limit. Flex doesn't. You switch to Pro for faster cycles, forget the cap, take a big loss in one session, you're halted or breached. Set a platform alert at 60% of your DLL threshold.

On Pro, chasing the profit goal at end of cycle. Day 3, close to the goal but not there, you size up, breach the DLL. There's no penalty for trading into Day 4 or Day 5. No forced request at Day 3.

On Direct, not checking the consistency ratio before requesting. The dashboard shows current ratio. Check it. 22% means denied. Trade one more solid day to dilute.

On Direct, expecting to withdraw quickly after a big day. Book $1,500 on a Monday on a 50K → cycle needs $7,500 total before that day drops to 20%. The big day creates consistency jail. Direct rewards even distribution.

On Pro, Direct and Daily, forgetting the trailing drawdown after payouts. Your MLL doesn't reset after a payout. Balance drops, MLL stays put. After 3-4 withdrawals, cushion above the MLL has shrunk meaningfully. Traders breach accounts this way not from bad trading, but from cumulative withdrawal erosion. LucidFlex is the exception: its 50%-of-profit rule leaves half of every cycle's profit in the account, so the cushion rebuilds each cycle instead of eroding.

On all accounts, trading aggressively right after a payout. Balance dropped. Buffer smaller. Don't size up. Start the new cycle conservatively.

On Pro, assuming the Nov 2025 legacy rules still apply. If you bought after 11/28/2025, you're on the new 90/10. The old 100%-first-$10K calculator you're using is wrong for your account, and LucidDirect never had that split at all.

Universal Payout Rules Across All Lucid Accounts

These apply regardless of account type:

Minimum payout: $500 across all programs. Need at least $1 net profit for the cycle.

Payout processing: Approvals within minutes when the requirements are met. Disbursement runs same day on Plaid, 1 to 2 business days to a US bank, 2 to 4 to an international bank, and up to eight through PayPal. Lucid documents three rails: Plaid for instant bank transfers to US traders, WorkMarket by ADP for US and international traders (bank transfer or PayPal), and crypto for international traders (BTC, ETH, LTC, USDT, USDC). Full breakdown of Lucid's payout methods by region.

Withdrawal fees: Lucid's help center publishes no withdrawal fee schedule either way. Check the current terms on lucidtrading.com before your first request.

KYC: Mandatory before first payout. Government-issued photo ID required. Complete it as soon as funded, don't wait until payout day. Details in my Lucid KYC guide. Restricted countries: citizens and residents of the 81 listed countries are not eligible to use Lucid Trading services, and KYC is where that gets verified.

Account limits: up to 10 evaluation accounts per household, up to 5 funded sim accounts per household, and up to 5 LucidLive accounts per household. Evaluations and funded accounts share the same 10-account ceiling. On the move to live you get one live account per eligible funded account, and every funded account needs at least one payout to qualify.

Inactivity: an account with no trade producing at least $1 of net profit or loss inside 30 calendar days is deemed abandoned and permanently deleted. Breached evaluations are also auto-deleted 30 days after the breach unless you reset them first.

News trading: Fully allowed on Flex, Pro and Direct, no blackouts during NFP, FOMC, or CPI. The exception is funded LucidDaily, where red folder news trading is a hard breach: flat from 1 minute before to 1 minute after the event. The evaluation is undocumented rather than exempt.

Platforms: twelve supported front-ends across two feeds. Tradovate, TradingView and NinjaTrader run on CQG; MotiveWave, Quantower, Tradesea, Sierra Chart, Jigsaw, Bookmap, ATAS, R|Trader Pro and MultiCharts run on Rithmic. Lucid's help center states that all listed platforms work with all account types, so platform choice is not a reason to pick one account type over another.

Trading hours: on LucidPro, LucidFlex and LucidDirect all sim positions must be closed by 4:45 PM ET, Monday through Friday, and Lucid auto-liquidates anything still open. Holding past that cutoff does not fail the account. Trading reopens at 6:00 PM ET, Sunday through Thursday. On holidays with an early close, the earlier close applies. No weekend holds on sim accounts.

Grandfather benefits (pre-11/28/2025 LucidPro accounts): 100% first $10K profit split, and 35% funded consistency instead of 40%. Neither is documented for LucidDirect. These are tied to the account itself, reset before 11/28/2025 keeps them, reset after loses them.

What doesn't affect payout: Which futures product you trade (ES, NQ, CL, GC, all eligible). Scalping versus longer intraday holds, since no Lucid account allows overnight or weekend positions. Automation. Time of day within trading hours.

My Payout Track Record at Lucid

MetricValue
Total payout cycles30+
Products tradedLucidFlex + LucidPro

The cycles span several account generations, not two long-running accounts: a sim account tops out at five payouts or ends on a breach and is then replaced.

Flex payouts clear without denials once the profitable-day requirement is met, and Pro cycles have cleared the same way. LucidDirect is not in that table because I have not traded it; its denial pattern sits in the rules section above.

I am tracking the new Pro cadence separately. Based on mechanics alone, expectation: per-payout size stays similar but cycle frequency jumps from roughly 2 per month to a payout roughly every 5 calendar days, capped at 5 payouts before the account leaves sim for the live review. Which means new Pro should land close to what Flex produces, or exceed it.

Maxx is the endgame. Not qualified yet, working the current Flex and Pro cycles to build the risk-team-identifiable track record.

The bottom line

Choose the Lucid account whose payout gate you can repeat without changing your normal risk. The cadence, consistency test, profit goal and cap are product-specific.

Frequently Asked Questions

What is the minimum payout amount at Lucid Trading?

$500 across all account types, LucidFlex, LucidPro, LucidDaily, LucidDirect, LucidMaxx. You also need at least $1 net profit for the cycle. No exceptions.

How often can I request LucidPro payouts in 2026?

A 3-calendar-day minimum sits between requests. On top of it you need the Minimum Profit Goal ($250/$500/$750/$1,000 by size), the 40% consistency check, and profit above the buffer balance ($26,100/$52,100/$103,100/$154,600). Weekends count as calendar days, qualify Monday, request Thursday.

Does LucidPro have a minimum number of trading days?

Lucid's help center documents no minimum number of trading days for Pro. The 40% consistency rule sets a floor arithmetically: no single day may carry more than two fifths of the cycle, so a payout needs at least three contributing days. The three-day wait between requests is a separate, calendar-based rule. Alongside it, a request needs the Minimum Profit Goal, the 40% consistency check and profit above the buffer balance.

What happened to the 100% first $10K split on LucidPro?

It became a grandfather-only benefit on November 28, 2025 at 3:00 PM ET. LucidPro accounts purchased or reset before that cutoff keep the 100%-first-$10K perk. Accounts created or reset after that date run 90/10 from dollar one. The clause is documented for LucidPro only; the LucidDirect payout article names no legacy exception, so Direct is a flat 90/10. Check your purchase date in the Lucid dashboard.

What is LucidPro's funded consistency rule?

40% for accounts purchased or reset on or after November 28, 2025. 35% for accounts before that cutoff. Your single best day cannot exceed the threshold percentage of total cycle profit.

Does LucidFlex have a funded consistency rule?

No. LucidFlex is the only standard Lucid account with zero funded consistency. Your best day can represent 100% of cycle profit. The 50% consistency rule only applies during the evaluation phase.

How do LucidDaily payouts work?

Funded LucidDaily accounts can request a payout any eligible day: balance above the buffer (starting balance plus the initial max loss limit plus $100), positive net profit since the last payout, $500 minimum. There is no per-request cap and no funded consistency rule. The only daily ceiling is the Maximum Daily Profit, $6,000 to $12,000 by size. Hitting it triggers the move to live, described as automatic in Lucid's payout article and as a risk-team decision in the LucidDaily live article.

What happened to LucidBlack payout rules?

LucidBlack is no longer sold, and Lucid's help center keeps its rule pages in a collection labeled LucidBlack (Legacy). Under Black the path to live ran to four payouts. Lucid publishes nothing about accounts that were still open at the wind-down, so there is no documented migration path to quote.

How does the new LucidLive bonus system work?

Transition to LucidLive → start at $0 balance → generate live profits equal to the Live Target, your starting live drawdown plus $100 ($1,100 on a 25K up to $4,600 on a 150K) → Lucid releases the one-time bonus as a payout: $1,000 (25K funded), $2,000 (50K), $3,000 (100K), $4,500 (150K), subject to the 90/10 split. The escrow-based legacy program, with its move-to-live caps, day-one slice and 60-day withdrawal wait, is gone. Trade real capital at 90/10 with daily payouts. First-trip only.

How do I qualify for LucidMaxx?

You can't apply for the status. Lucid's quantitative risk team identifies qualifying traders from funded-account performance data and notifies them by email. Once you hold the status you may purchase the LucidMaxx evaluation, which does run a profit target, a max loss limit, a 40% consistency rule and 5 trading days before you go live. There is no public application process. Indicators: sustained profitability, clean risk management, cycle velocity, account longevity.

How many payouts until LucidLive?

Five on Flex, Pro and Direct, and Lucid words what follows two ways. The LucidFlex payout article says traders may take up to 5 payouts from each Flex account, after which they will be moved live. The live-structure article calls payout 5 the maximum payout level rather than a guaranteed minimum for live eligibility and puts every live transition at the discretion of the risk team. Plan for a review, not a guarantee. LucidDaily: performance-based, qualifying accounts with at least 1 payout enter a live review pool. Maxx traders start on live capital, no sim progression.

Did LucidDirect payout rules change in 2026?

Yes. Per Lucid's pricing page, checked July 29, 2026, Direct list pricing is $340 (25K), $520 (50K), $700 (100K), $840 (150K), and a 100K size sits between the 50K and the 150K. 150K Direct MLL is $5,000. The payout profit goals are $1,500/$3,000/$6,000/$9,000 for cycle 1 and $1,250/$2,500/$3,500/$4,500 after that. On minimum days, the help center documents no count for Direct, but the 20% consistency rule needs at least five contributing days and the pricing page lists 5; the binding gate is the profit goal. Direct's split is a flat 90/10 with no documented grandfather clause. 20% consistency rule unchanged.

What is the maximum payout for Lucid 50K accounts?

LucidFlex 50K: 50% of cycle profit up to $2,000, fixed at every payout, $1,800 take-home at the cap after the split. LucidPro 50K: $2,000 on payout 1, then $2,500 from payout 2 onward. LucidDirect 50K: $2,000 for payouts 1-3, $2,500 for payouts 4-5. Scale comes from stacking accounts, not from per-payout size.

Does LucidFlex have a daily loss limit?

No. Zero DLL on funded Flex, both evaluation and funded phases. Your only breach condition is the EOD trailing Max Loss Limit. Main difference from Pro.

How long does it take to get a payout from Lucid Trading?

Approvals land within minutes during US business hours once the cycle requirements are met. The balance is deducted within a few minutes of approval, and disbursement depends on the rail: Plaid lands in a US bank the same day, WorkMarket by ADP takes 1 to 2 business days to a US bank and 2 to 4 to an international one, the PayPal route runs 2 to 3 business days to the PayPal balance and another 3 to 5 to your bank, so up to eight end to end, and crypto is available for international traders.

What's the 20% consistency rule on LucidDirect, in plain math?

Your single best profitable day cannot exceed 20% of total cycle profit. Best day $500 + total $3,000 = 16.7% (pass). Best day $500 + total $2,000 = 25% (fail). Keep trading, diluting your best-day ratio, until you drop below 20%. Resets each cycle.

Can I request a payout immediately after passing my evaluation?

Not on Flex, need 5 profitable trading days first. Not on Pro, need the profit goal, profit above the buffer balance and a 3-calendar-day wait from funding. Not on Direct, need the cycle profit goal ($3,000 on a 50K first cycle) plus 20% consistency. Not on Daily, the funded balance must first clear the buffer (starting balance plus the initial max loss limit plus $100). Maxx traders start on live capital and can request daily.

Is trading news events allowed on Lucid payouts?

Yes on Flex, Pro and Direct: NFP, FOMC, CPI, all economic releases, no blackouts. The exception is funded LucidDaily, where red folder news trading is a hard breach, flat 1 minute before to 1 minute after the event. The evaluation is undocumented rather than exempt.

Does Lucid Trading actually pay out?

Yes. I've taken 30+ payout cycles at Lucid across several LucidFlex and LucidPro accounts, every one requested through the normal dashboard flow. Lucid claims over $400 million paid to traders as of July 2026, and its Trustpilot profile sits at 4.6 from roughly 4,850 reviews, with payout speed the most-praised theme. Denials do happen, almost always because a cycle requirement was not met yet, most often Direct's 20% consistency check. That is rule enforcement, not refusal to pay: fix the ratio, extend the cycle, and the payout clears.

What is the 5-second rule in Lucid Trading?

It's Lucid's anti-microscalping filter, not a payout rule. Automated systems flag an account when more than 50% of its profits come from trades held five seconds or less. A first offense brings a written warning; continuing after that can forfeit the flagged profits and restrict the account. Genuine scalping is fine, and full automation with bots, EAs, and copy trading is explicitly allowed. If your average hold time is measured in minutes, this rule will never touch you. Full breakdown in my Lucid prohibited strategies guide.

Is Lucid Trading legit and safe?

Legit by every measure I can test: 30+ payout cycles paid to me across several accounts, a 4.6 Trustpilot score from about 4,850 reviews as of July 2026, and a claimed $400M+ in total trader payouts. It is a simulated-capital prop firm, so safety means rule risk, not deposit risk: your exposure is the one-time eval fee. The complaints you will find are mostly enforcement disputes, account reviews and KYC locks, not missing payouts. Read the rules on this page before your first cycle and the model works as advertised.

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